In this blog entry, I'm covering SAAB 9-3S. It's a very rare in Malaysia. Hong Leong Auto Concessionaires brought in few units between 1997 to 2000 (1997 to 98 was called Saab 900s), 1999 onwards were called 9-3s. Then there's changes in 2001, "Auto Eurokars" owned by Dato' Mokhzani Mahathir took over the distributorship. They imported in few units from 2001 to 2003 before being replaced by 2nd generation Saab 9-3s.
As usual, I don’t have a car to test/brag about as this Saab’s Freaking RARE. The resale value depends on buyer as this car's too RARE to gauge the Resale Values. Spotted a 2001 model for sale @ RM55,000 and a newer (next generation) 2004(!) model for RM78,000. All is not lost, I dished out a FULL REVIEW from GoAuto Australia (1), Owners’ review (Worldwide) with both Positive and Negative ones from Carsurvey (2). ENJOY!
MSN Auto US Average Rating
(Updated every 3 hours)
Overall Rating 8.2
Styling 9.0
Performance 8.6
Interior 8.5
Quality 7.6
Recommendation 7.8
START OF GoAuto Australia's review
Overview
SAAB's move to all-turbo engines for its 9-3 in late 1998 spiced up an ageing model range. With the improved dynamics of a reworked suspension and the upgraded safety and comfort levels introduced with the 9-3 a few months earlier, the turbo engine added to an already appealing package. It offers a bigger boot than practically anyone, but rear seat passengers are not so well treated and general dynamics are not class leading.
Previous Model
Saab 900
March 1994-June 1998
Saab's first GM-based car came with teething problems that persisted until the 9-3 model in June 1998. The front-drive 900 was however relatively spacious with a huge boot. Four-cylinder 2.0-litre normally aspirated and turbo engines were offered, along with a 2.3-litre and a 2.5-litre V6.
The Car
SAAB was on a minimum budget when refining the 900 model to create the 9-3. The car builds on the basic strengths of the 900 and adds more authority with a bolder grille, while bringing the rear end into line with the bigger 9-5 model by relocating the licence plate between the tail lights and reprofiling the panel above the (also reshaped) bumper.
Did you know?
More than 1200 technical changes over the 900 were made to create the 9-3
The Car - Seat Plan
THE 9-3 seats five passengers. Lap-sash belts are provided in all seating positions. The Saab's hatchback design is an uncommon feature in the prestige segment.
The Car - Seats
THE 9-3'S front seats are basically the same as the bigger 9-5. The driver's seat offers adjustment for height and lumbar support. Both front seats have in-built heating. The reclining mechanism is wheel-adjusted. From 2001, leather upholstery is standard (pictured).
Did you know?
Saab began as an aeronautical company
The Car - Dash
THERE'S a lot to like about the thinking that goes into Saab dashboard design. Simple, clean and a servant of the driver rather than a distraction. Examples? The speedometer scales that compresses above 120km/h so more space is allocated to the lower speeds where we spend most of our driving lives and the "Night Panel" which at the flick of a switch lights only the basic instruments. Other neat touches include a lockable full-size glovebox and dual vanity mirror on the sunvisors.
The Car - Controls
THE steering wheel is adjustable for height only. The ignition key is located on the centre console. The ignition key can only be removed if the lever is in reverse in manual versions, or park in automatics. The pull-up handbrake is centrally located. Cruise control switches are located on the left-hand steering column stalk. The 9-3 uses a basic trip computer displaying ambient temperature, fuel average, distance to empty. Exterior mirror controls are located on the driver's door. The boot lid can be unlocked via a switch on the driver's door.
The Car - Wheels/tyres
THE 9-3 S comes standard with steel wheels, but alloy wheels, such as the one pictured above, are an option. The standard wheel size is 15 x 6-inch. The 9-3 comes standard fitted with Pirelli 9000 tyres and uses wider 195/60 x 15 tyres than the 900 it replaces.
Did you know?
The 9-3's four-cylinder engine and gearbox are basically the only major components that are all Saab
The Car - Luggage
THE 9-3 offers a particularly large luggage capacity for its size. The 9-3 has a split-fold rear seat to assist flexibility. The rear seat design incorporates a lap-sash belt for the centre passenger. The 9-3 external hatch lock automatically activates so the car cannot inadvertently be left unlocked. A light on the instrument panel illuminates if the rear hatch is not properly shut. The rear seats double-fold to maximise loading capacity.
Did you know?
Saab's "active" head restraint design won the 1997 Windscreens O'Brien safety award when introduced on the 9-5 model
The Car - What's changed
THE 9-3 is all about refinement rather than wholesale changes. The outer skin, as detailed above, has some changes, and there are mechanical refinements as well. Nothing, however, that elevates the car beyond the mainstream of a very competitive class.
The Car - Stand out features
THE 9-3 distinguishes itself in the thoughtful detail. Headlight washers are a standard feature; the redesigned tailgate features an exterior opening handle and a repositioned high-level brake light; the rear seat backrest incorporates a full-width beam that locates the centre lap-sash seatbelt and provides extra lateral rigidity; "Active" front seat head restraints protect against whiplash injuries; "Night panel" instrumentation illuminates dials on a need to know basis.
Did you know?
The Saab 9-3 comes in three-door, five-door and convertible forms
The Car - Climate control
THE 9-3'S standard heating/air conditioning system is manually operated and incorporates a pollen filter. The 9-3 uses rotary switches for temperature, air direction and fan speed. A separate button is provided to recirculate the air inside the car. The airflow capacity of the system was improved with the introduction of the 9-3. Headlights can be adjusted from the instrument panel. Rear-view mirrors are heated for better winter vision. The 9-3's air-conditioning compressor has better performance than that of the 900, particularly at low speed and when the engine is idling.
The Car - Sound system
THE 9-3 is equipped with a four-speaker sound system. The system is powered by a 120 Watt amplifier. A single-disc CD player is incorporated into the fascia. The sound system changes volume according to road speed. Up to six AM stations can be preselected. The radio offers two FM bands, enabling storage of 12 separate stations. The audio system can be operated by controls mounted on the steering wheel.
The Car - Security
THE 9-3 incorporates an electronic immobiliser. An anti-theft alarm system is activated when the car is locked. The 9-3's central locking system is operated by remote control.
Positive +ve: Smooth turbo power, massive boot, safety features
Negative -ve: Tight rear compartment, below-par handling
Mechanical - Plan views
SAAB'S 9-3 is based on an old GM platform which was used for such mundane transportation as the Vauxhall Cavalier. So, no surprises about the mundane nature of the drivetrain then, which comprises a transverse-mounted engine driving the front wheels. What does get interesting is when a fair amount of torque and kilowatts is channelled to those front wheels. Torque steer aplenty can be the result.
Mechanical - Engine
THE 9-3's four-cylinder engine is a Saab design and uses a cast-iron block with an alloy, twin camshaft, 16-valve cylinder head. Its standout features are the separate coils used for each cylinder and its low-pressure intercooled turbocharger. The engine is different to the new low-friction version used in the 9-5 and in Aero versions of the 9-3.
Mechanical - Suspension
WHEN the 900 became the 9-3, Saab did a lot of work ironing out many of the problems that beset the earlier car. More front suspension travel, a faster steering ratio and numerous changes including new steering gear mountings made the 9-3 a better riding, better handling car. Wider standard tyres also helped.
Did you know?
The 9-3 uses independent MacPherson strut front suspension. Rear suspension is a torsion beam design using an anti-sway bar
Mechanical - Transmission
THE 9-3 is available with a five-speed manual tranmssion, or with an Aisin Warner four-speed, electronically controlled automatic. The manual benefitted signficantly with the adoption of a hydraulically operated clutch in the switch from 900 to 9-3. The automatic offers two modes of operation and is able to "learn" individual driving styles.
Mechanical - Brakes
THE 9-3's braking system uses all the latest technology to maximise effectiveness. Backing the anti-lock is electronic brake force distribution that regulates the pressure going to the brakes according to various factors, including weight distribution. The Saab's front brakes were increased in size over early 900s that were found to have difficulty coping with repeated heavy use.
Did you know?
The 9-3 uses a four-wheel disc braking system and the front discs are ventilated to assist cooling
Mechanical - Steering
SAAB took a load of criticism over the steering characteristics of the first new generation 900s and for the 9-3 answered a lot of this with a faster ratio and some re-engineering of the mechanism's mounting points. The result is a better feel than the 900 and less reluctance to turn into a corner. More power assistance helped cancel out the effects of the faster steering ratio, although the 9-3 still asks for a bit of effort at the wheel. Did you know?
The 9-3 uses power-assisted rack and pinion steering. The wheel goes from lock to lock in three turns. Turning circle is a tight 10.5 metres
Safety
THE front airbags are inflated by a "soft" charge, making them less aggressive to occupants seated well forward. Two-stage head-thorax side airbags protect the occupants' rib cage and head in side impacts. The body structure is designed to distribute the impact forces over as large an area as possible in an accident. The 9-3 incorporates Saab's "active" head restraints that protect against whiplash injuries.
Data
WARRANTY:
* Two years/unlimited km
* Service intervals: 10,000km
ENGINE:
* 1.985 litre, electronic fuel-injection, double overhead cam, 16-valve, four cylinder
* Power: 113kW at 5500rpm
* Torque: 219Nm at 3600rpm
* Bore/stroke: 90mm/78mm
* Compression ratio: 9.2:1
TRANSMISSION:
* Five-speed manual, four-speed automatic
BRAKES:
The 9-3 uses a four-wheel disc braking system and the front discs are ventilated to assist cooling
SUSPENSION:
* Front: MacPherson struts with direct-acting gas shock absorbers and anti-roll bar.
* Rear: H-formed twist-beam rear axle with inner and outer anti-roll bars. Coil springs and gas shock absorbers
STEERING:
* Power-assisted rack and pinion
DIMENSIONS:
* Length: 4629mm
* Width: 1711mm
* Height: 1428mm
* Wheelbase: 2605mm
* Track, front: 1452mm
* Track, rear: 1442mm
* Kerb weight: 1347kg
Performance:
Top speed: 225km/h
0-100km/h: 9.3 secs (Auto) / Manual gearbox not available in Malaysia.
FUEL CONSUMPTION: See Owner's review.
STANDARD EQUIPMENT:
* Air-conditioning
* Remote central locking
* Power windows
* Anti-lock brakes
* Front and side airbags
* Heated seats
* Active head restraint system
* Power steering
* CD player
* Steering wheel-mounted audio controls
Without further ado, let's proceed to International Owners' review. From Australia, North America, P0rtugal, UK and Ireland, Singapore.
Owner’s review 1: 1999 SAAB 9-3 S review from Australia and New Zealand
"Bargain Uniqueness in a Quality Package!"
What things have gone wrong with the car?
Saab Info Display (SID) - pixels die. Easy self fix... takes 20 minutes - just Google it!
Vacuum check valve fails - every service - but cheap to replace. Result of hot climate.
Gearbox engine mount needs replacing - dealer informed me that it will be fine without replacement, as long as I don't kick the gear box down too often, or too hard.
Air vent control has failed so it is stuck on air out of dash vents only. Expensive to fix, but in a climate like ours, I don't need to use the windscreen demister anyway. Not a drama!
CD player stopped being able to play "burnt" cd's. Easy replacement - even found a product on the web so I can still use my steering wheel buttons with my new Sony CD player.
Badges lose their paint - too much sunlight in Australia! Easy to replace.
General comments?
For a tall person (6'3") - the high back seats are fantastic. I would buy another brand of car if I could install Saab seats!
As a second hand car, Saabs are excellent value. No other European car can compete for value, especially at this age / price range. I have 4 airbags, steering wheel stereo buttons, and everything else electrical that I need, all for the price of something Korean. I would rather buy another second hand Saab then a new cheap car any day.
Luggage capacity is something I wouldn't be able to live without now. My 5 door hatch back has carted everything including a widescreen LCD TV, washing machine, filing cabinet, fridge, TV cabinet.
I also love that fact that most people don't understand Saabs... I like to be a bit different! Even in Australia, a Mercedes is common, but a Saab is at least pretty unique. The best bit is, that Saabs are quite reliable, bullet proof cars that aren't overly expensive to service or fix.
Owner’s review 2: 1999 SAAB 9-3 review from UK and Ireland
"Classy, understated car!"
What things have gone wrong with the car?
One of the headlamps bulbs has gone!
General comments?
I've never really been all that interested in cars, and to be honest was a little resentful about the prospect of parting with my hard-earned cash for a commuting vehicle - especially as most of the cars in my price range (Focuses, Golfs) are fairly bland looking. That's why I am still delighted with my Saab 9-3.
I've had the car for 3 months now and it's been great. I think it's a really classy and cool car in an understated, slightly sophisticated way! As a guy in my late 20's, I always cringe when I see office worker/executive types flying around in old BMW's thinking they're the business! The SAAB is much cooler and far less ostentatious, which is why I like it so much.
It's extremely comfortable and people always comment on its roominess. I haven't had any problems with it mechanically so far at all and it always starts first time. It also feels safe and sturdy. I've also been pleasantly surprised as it's pretty economical considering its 2L petrol engine. It gives and extremely smooth and quiet ride, but the engine can really pack a punch as well.
I'd struggle to say anything bad about the car (so far anyway!) Perhaps it doesn't always handle all that well, though unless you're planning to rally it, this shouldn't be a huge concern!
Owner’s review 3: 1999 SAAB 9-3 S review from North America
"Love Hate Relationship"
What things have gone wrong with the car?
I bought the car with around 70,000 + miles. My first 25K miles were maintance free. Then replaced the Idelor pulley. Realitively easy fix.
100K replaced Information Display
110K replaced DI Cassette
at 122K my problems began:
-A/C went bad. Replaced with new compressor $800 just for the part. I put it on, now AC only works when it wants to. I'm sure it is a bad sensor, but too lazy to try to find out about it so I still have no AC.
124K Water Pump and upper radiator hose.
134K Head Gasket ($1000 repair)
145K replaced DI Cassette again ($350 part)
150K replaced Idelor Pulley again and put new serpentine belt.
General comments?
Owning this car has been a love hate relationship. It is so fun to drive. Handles beautifully and is super comfortable... more comfortable than my dad's buick. If you've ever driven a SAAB you'll know what I feel. You fall in love with it. You'll get tons of power out the turbo 4 cylinder and decent gas mileage. It is so quick and it will be a step down in power unless I jump into a V-8 which won't happen. I get 27 on the highway and 22 around town. The downside is they come with expensive repair bills. I've been lucky because I've done all the work myself except for the head gasket. I've worked on this car more than any car I've ever owned. It has voodoo electronics. I am constantly going through headlights and tailights and am always adjusting them. Half the time my airbag light and brake light comes on and my check engine light has been on since 90K. I would love to own a SAAB again, but I'm cautiously optomistic that I probably won't. Like I said, It's been love hate.
Owner’s review 4: 1998 SAAB 9-3 SE review from UK and Ireland
"Great value armchair on wheels"
What things have gone wrong with the car?
Saab Information Display pixels do not display correctly (this seems to be a common problem and is easily fixed with a new unit).
Alarm can act up in damp weather.
General comments?
Comfort is the key with this car. Big supportive seats that work very well for tall drivers (I am 6' 5").
The car is very quiet too and as a second hand buy at about 6 years old represents fantastic value for money.
However... performance on the standard non-turbo version is pretty sluggish.
If you can find/afford a good LPT version or even the 2.3 I would suggest this is a better bet.
Owner report 5: 1999 SAAB 9-3 review from North America
"What a GREAT car... even if it does break a lot"
What things have gone wrong with the car?
The ignition module and the fuel pump have failed. also, the SID (SAAB Information Display) in the dash and the power antenna have gone on the fritz.
General comments?
They say that "those who test drive a SAAB, usually buy one." I now know why that's true.
The reality is that SAABs are not the most reliable cars on the face of the earth. that's why god made Toyotas (which, BTW, are generally hideously boring).
BUT...at the same time, the 9-3 is an incredibly well-engineered and well-designed car. it's fast, comfortable, practical (gets 30+ mpg and can fit an entire bedroom set), FAST (!!), really safe, and unique. by the way, it's fast, and gets great mileage. it also has (w/ the seats down) the biggest cargo hatch I've ever seen. it's a wonderful car, mechanical foibles notwithstanding.
Put me down as a SAAB apologist; occasionally it lets me down; but when it works, it's wonderful.
Owner's report 6: 1999 SAAB 9-3 review from North America
"Nice, but expensive problems"
What things have gone wrong with the car?
Ignition Switch replacement.
Direct Ignition replacement.
General comments?
I currently own a 1999 Saab 9-3. Reading the previous comments regarding Saab's, it's comforting to know I am not alone. Two years ago the Ignition Switch was replaced for about $700 at the dealership.
Last month, on my way home from the gym I tried to start my car, but nothing happened. I had it towed to a shop and was told the Direct Ignition needed replacement. According to the shop this was a common problem with Saab 4 cylinder's. The cost was $1046 at this shop to have it replaced.
Now I'm reading these comments regarding oil sludge and I am starting to get very nervous. I currently have 70,000 miles. With student loans I'm currently paying off, I can't afford to repair or rebuild my engine.
Owner's report 7: 1999 SAAB 9-3 review from North America
"A safe, utilitarian, luxurious, sporty, good looking, price effective sanctuary"
What things have gone wrong with the car?
Nothing, except the a/c read out is kind of funky.
General comments?
The car is so fast that it is hard to believe that there is only a 2.0 liter V4 under the hood. With the sport drive, the automatic transmission is as peppy as any manual. The car also handles better than a new BMW 330CI that I recently drove, and my 9-3 has 100,000 miles! There is no other car on earth that can match my Saab's performance, utility, safety and price! If you are considering a Saab versus any other car, go with the Saab! You will be so happy, believe me!
Owner 8: 2000 SAAB 9-3 review from North America
"Sucks"
What things have gone wrong with the car?
My engine seized at 80000 miles. Got a letter from Saab on recall due to engine sludge. After several weeks negotiating with Saab and locating service records they agreed to replace the engine free of charge. I still had to pay $250.00 diagnosis fee to the dealer and over $900.00 for rental car for two months. The problem was their fault, but it still cost me a lot of time and money. The only reason Saab probably replaced the engine is my husband is an Attorney. Seemed to be the key to getting them to respond.
Now the car won't start unexpectedly for several hours, then magically starts again - no explanation. Dealer can't locate the problem- no surprise.
General comments?
This car is unreliable and Saab service is terrible.
Owner 9: 2000 SAAB 9-3 SE review from North America
"Nice car, poor design of oil system"
What things have gone wrong with the car?
Oil Sludge identified at 33K. Engine failure at 57K due to oil sludge.
General comments?
Engine oil screen was cleaned and I was instructed to change oil at manufacturers intervals. Changed oil 8 times within 30,000 miles and replaced oil pump. Engine again diagnosed with serious damage from oil sludge. Saab offer is to pay for 50% of cost for a new engine and will not contribute to use a rebuilt engine.
Owner's COMMENTS 1: 16th Jul 2008, 14:46
My Saab story is a bit different than some of these, but with a similar conclusion - lots of time and money poured into a car that continues to break down. I bought my 200 9-3 used with 71K miles and figured out pretty quickly that I had a bad car with a sludge problem. OK, my bad for being a fool.
I tried all kinds of things, including an engine flush, but the damage had already been done to the cylinders. After much gnashing of teeth I decided to have the engine rebuilt, which cost over $7000. Less than 1000 miles later, the electrical started flaking out - first the ignition switch, then the windshield washer pump and then problems with the car not starting.
Last week, the transmission stopped working altogether. This is not the limp-home mode by the way, it doesn't work - period. If you have a failing Saab, my advice is to part the thing out before it separates you from more of your money.
Owner's 10: 2001 SAAB 9-3 9-3s review from North America
"Good buy, fun to drive"
What things have gone wrong with the car?
At 62,000, I spun an engine bearing, and snapped a piston connecting rod; if the car was not under warranty it would have been totaled. Saab had my 9-3 for over a month and had to install a new engine. Retail would have cost $8200 for repair, but it was only $82 for the oil change and transmission fluid :P
At 70,000 the fuel pump busted, and had to replace struts, cost $1800.
General comments?
This car is pretty quick, but can be mean and very aggressive sounding after dropping in a conical cold air intake. 0-60 time is right around 7 seconds, and in first gear at 25mph and flooring it until 45 goes by in less than 2 seconds feels amazing.
2nd gear 47-65 is very fast, great power for overtaking.
70-90 is a bit slower, but still pulls in 3rd gear.
Final gear: 4th (in an auto box) is a bit slower; the car gently speeds up from 100-135 in about 12 seconds of full throttle.
This car is quick for a 2.0L.
The best upgrade for this car is a genuine Saab rear sway bar. It allows the car to handle 4x better and hug turns a lot better... makes the car feel like a wooden roller coaster.
Owner 11: 2001 SAAB 9-3 SE Anniversary review from Portugal
"A truly good investment and pleasure to drive"
What things have gone wrong with the car?
Absolutely nothing for the moment.
General comments?
This car is really very well built.
Together with performance and comfort it gives a true feeling of driving a very secure and dynamic car.
It is a pity that this design will go, as the new 93 is a copy of the 95 in the front and a mix of other brands in the back.
The difference of having a Saab and any other car, is that one really is sure to have something that stands out of the common trend of cars in this category.
Owner 12: 2002 SAAB 9-3 2.0t review from Singapore
"A great way to drive!"
What things have gone wrong with the car?
The front suspension bushing made noise when going over speed bumps. This was fixed somewhat by replacing it with the silicon version. Still hearing some sound.
Poorly fitted (locally) leather and wood effect in all areas of the car. Mostly fixed.
Lots of rattling and buzzing sounds coming from the doors. Probably due to the poor workmanship of the local fitters. Agent is hopelessly incompetent and cannot even fixed the noise after attempting to do so for 3 times already.
General comments?
The car is brilliant. Lots of torque throughout and no turbo lag. It handles very well on straight roads and round corners, assisted by the Traction Control System, Cornering Braking Control, and Rear Passive Steering.
Full of advanced electronics and automotive gadgets. Like the optical network used for the audio system. Electronic key-less entry and engine starting, which acts as a security check for the audio system as well.
Many features are programmable through the SAAB TECH2 car computer.
The only let down is the local agent. Not only are they not sure of the new car features, they also try to pass off problems as "normal"! Outrageous!!
Owner 13: 2002 SAAB 9-3 SE review from North America
"This car is a huge disappointment, and I'll never buy another car made by this manufacturer again"
What things have gone wrong with the car?
Despite never missing a scheduled oil change, my engine failed at 54,000 miles due to oil sludge accumulation on internal engine parts. Sludge accumulation was due to faulty engine design, as is recognized by the Saab Corporation. If unchecked, sludge can accumulate, unnoticed, until total engine failure. Saab extended coverage on their engines due to said defect but will refuse coverage to anyone who can't turn over complete oil-change records for the entire life of the car.
Fitted with a faulty ignition cassette. The cassettes are part of a national recall but have been on back-order for several months due to high demand.
General comments?
This car has been nothing but one headache after another, and Saab's customer service has been completely unhelpful. I will never, EVER purchase another Saab for as long as I live.
END OF Owner's Review/Report. THAT”S ALL FOLKS. Thanks for Having the Patience to read this LONG Blog entry.
ONE MORE Owner's review from AUTOS.MSN.COM (3)
"Born from jets?? More like born from garbage"
2000 Saab 9-3 5-Door
02/20/2006
By: Stevo from St. Louis
Owned: 3 years
Review ID: #487092
Pros:
The handling and comfort of ride are top quality.
Cons:
The reliability of this vehicle is downright aweful. I bought it with 43,000 miles and got rid of it at 98,000 miles and had it less than two years. Some of the problems we encountered were a broken knob on the vent direction switch, the display for the radio/computer burnt out, the night driving mode on the dashboard went out so when you drove at night, only 0-80mph were visible and to top it all off... The engine siezed at 98,000 miles due to oil sludge. Saab knows of this problem and has extended the warranty but when it comes time to pay for a new engine, "oh we're sorry, our adjuster says that you didn't change the oil frequently." This is all in spite of the car being serviced at the S
Overall Review:
Stay away from this General Motors piece of garbage that has nothing more than a Quad 4 direct ignition engine that you see in just about every other GM car. Their slogan nowadays is "Born from jets" ... Well I'm sorry to say this but there's no way I'd buy a Saab again much less want to take a Saab fighter into combat.
REFERENCES:
(1) http://goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/RT/0F7B60188357D826CA2569ED0001889E?OpenDocument
(2)
http://www.carsurvey.org/reviews/saab/9-3/
3) Autos.msn.com/
REFERENCES:
(1) http://goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/RT/0F7B60188357D826CA2569ED0001889E?OpenDocument
(2)
http://www.carsurvey.org/reviews/saab/9-3/
3) Autos.msn.com/
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